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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » Re: [I] Bread machine
| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250459] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 00:19 |
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esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
> on 03/04/2006 13:29 Arthur Hagen said the following:
> > Anyhow, I don't think a bread machine is the solution -- a kitchen machine
> > that does kneading is IMO better. The bread a bread machine makes lacks the
> > kneading that's necessary to get an even bread, and you end up with a bread
> > substitute with holes, lumps and an uneven taste. Not to say anything about
> > the missing crust.
>
> Crusts are no problem with my machine. The French bread is particuarly
> nice and, given that this is a bread that is very crust-dependant and
> that Son No.2 is something of a French bread aficionado, the machine
> must be doing something right.
Can you even do a proper French bread in a machine? I would've thought
that the shape is all wrong, so you get entirely the wrong proportion of
crust versus insides. And none of those nice, crunchy ends.
Richard
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| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250660 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 00:18 |
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:19:27 GMT, raltbos [at] xs4all.nl (Richard Bos)
wrote:
>esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>> on 03/04/2006 13:29 Arthur Hagen said the following:
>> > Anyhow, I don't think a bread machine is the solution -- a kitchen machine
>> > that does kneading is IMO better. The bread a bread machine makes lacks the
>> > kneading that's necessary to get an even bread, and you end up with a bread
>> > substitute with holes, lumps and an uneven taste. Not to say anything about
>> > the missing crust.
>> Crusts are no problem with my machine. The French bread is particuarly
>> nice and, given that this is a bread that is very crust-dependant and
>> that Son No.2 is something of a French bread aficionado, the machine
>> must be doing something right.
>Can you even do a proper French bread in a machine?
Nope, you can't do _anything_ proper in a machine. In my yoof, we
lived in a cage and had to use flint for making fire, and the bread
was _much_ better than nowad...<leaves off muttering to himself>
FiX
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| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250661 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 00:21 |
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Also Sprach FiX:
> Nope, you can't do _anything_ proper in a machine. In my
> yoof, we lived in a cage and had to use flint for making
> fire, and the bread was _much_ better than nowad...<leaves
> off muttering to himself>
You 'ad flint? We'd 'ave given our right arms for a bit of
flint. At least, if we'd *'ad* right arms we would 'ave...
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"Sometimes scientific progress requires personal sacrifice.
Personally, I sacrifice Beaker." -Dr Bunsen Honeydew
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| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250670 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 01:26 |
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Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> Also Sprach FiX:
>
>
>>Nope, you can't do _anything_ proper in a machine. In my
>>yoof, we lived in a cage and had to use flint for making
>>fire, and the bread was _much_ better than nowad...<leaves
>>off muttering to himself>
>
>
> You 'ad flint? We'd 'ave given our right arms for a bit of
> flint. At least, if we'd *'ad* right arms we would 'ave...
We 'ad to use our left legs and surgically move the toe around to act as
a thumb. An' all we had for the operation was a sharpened breadknife.
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| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250709 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 03:51 |
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Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>> Also Sprach FiX:
>>
>>
>>> Nope, you can't do _anything_ proper in a machine. In my
>>> yoof, we lived in a cage and had to use flint for making
>>> fire, and the bread was _much_ better than nowad...<leaves
>>> off muttering to himself>
>>
>>
>> You 'ad flint? We'd 'ave given our right arms for a bit of
>> flint. At least, if we'd *'ad* right arms we would 'ave...
>
> We 'ad to use our left legs and surgically move the toe around to act
> as a thumb. An' all we had for the operation was a sharpened
> breadknife.
You had *knives*? We had to lick a piece of coal until it became sharp
enough for a single stroke. But the bread tasted much better, even if we
didn't have flour or water.
Regards,
--
*Art
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| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250764 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 11:43 |
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:51:37 -0400, "Arthur Hagen" <art [at] broomstick.com>
wrote:
>Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>> Also Sprach FiX:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Nope, you can't do _anything_ proper in a machine. In my
>>>> yoof, we lived in a cage and had to use flint for making
>>>> fire, and the bread was _much_ better than nowad...<leaves
>>>> off muttering to himself>
>>>
>>>
>>> You 'ad flint? We'd 'ave given our right arms for a bit of
>>> flint. At least, if we'd *'ad* right arms we would 'ave...
>>
>> We 'ad to use our left legs and surgically move the toe around to act
>> as a thumb. An' all we had for the operation was a sharpened
>> breadknife.
>
>You had *knives*? We had to lick a piece of coal until it became sharp
>enough for a single stroke. But the bread tasted much better, even if we
>didn't have flour or water.
>
>Regards,
Coal? Luxury! We never had coal when I were a lad, it had yet to
form!
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| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250818 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 16:53 |
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in article 4432e921.18444593 [at] news.xs4all.nl, Richard Bos at
raltbos [at] xs4all.nl wrote on 04/04/2006 3:19 PM:
> esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>
>> on 03/04/2006 13:29 Arthur Hagen said the following:
>>> Anyhow, I don't think a bread machine is the solution -- a kitchen machine
>>> that does kneading is IMO better. The bread a bread machine makes lacks the
>>> kneading that's necessary to get an even bread, and you end up with a bread
>>> substitute with holes, lumps and an uneven taste. Not to say anything about
>>> the missing crust.
>>
>> Crusts are no problem with my machine. The French bread is particuarly
>> nice and, given that this is a bread that is very crust-dependant and
>> that Son No.2 is something of a French bread aficionado, the machine
>> must be doing something right.
>
> Can you even do a proper French bread in a machine? I would've thought
> that the shape is all wrong, so you get entirely the wrong proportion of
> crust versus insides. And none of those nice, crunchy ends.
You can make the dough in the machine (which eliminates all the hard work
involved), shape it by hand, prove it and bake it in the oven. But I make a
very nice crusty white loaf entirely in the machine, and call it French even
if it isn't. I don't call it a baguette, though.
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250820 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 16:57 |
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in article tcg8329ed226eafj5o3ncvlglali9db3i4 [at] 4ax.com, FiX at
FiX01 [at] club.lemonde.fr wrote on 05/04/2006 3:18 PM:
> On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:19:27 GMT, raltbos [at] xs4all.nl (Richard Bos)
> wrote:
>
>> esmi <esmi [at] lspace.org> wrote:
>
>>> on 03/04/2006 13:29 Arthur Hagen said the following:
>>>> Anyhow, I don't think a bread machine is the solution -- a kitchen machine
>>>> that does kneading is IMO better. The bread a bread machine makes lacks
>>>> the
>>>> kneading that's necessary to get an even bread, and you end up with a bread
>>>> substitute with holes, lumps and an uneven taste. Not to say anything
>>>> about
>>>> the missing crust.
>
>>> Crusts are no problem with my machine. The French bread is particuarly
>>> nice and, given that this is a bread that is very crust-dependant and
>>> that Son No.2 is something of a French bread aficionado, the machine
>>> must be doing something right.
>
>> Can you even do a proper French bread in a machine?
>
> Nope, you can't do _anything_ proper in a machine. In my yoof, we
> lived in a cage and had to use flint for making fire, and the bread
> was _much_ better than nowad...<leaves off muttering to himself>
Well yes, everyone knows Black Alys fed the children well, that wasn't the
problem.
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250851 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 20:16 |
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In article <4nYYf.8797$zc1.528 [at] amstwist00>, perry_awm [at] hotmail.com
says...
> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> > Also Sprach FiX:
> >
> >
> >>Nope, you can't do _anything_ proper in a machine. In my
> >>yoof, we lived in a cage and had to use flint for making
> >>fire, and the bread was _much_ better than nowad...<leaves
> >>off muttering to himself>
> >
> >
> > You 'ad flint? We'd 'ave given our right arms for a bit of
> > flint. At least, if we'd *'ad* right arms we would 'ave...
>
> We 'ad to use our left legs and surgically move the toe around to act as
> a thumb. An' all we had for the operation was a sharpened breadknife.
I remember when we was just lungfish. We didn't have no fancy arms, nor
legs neither. And since we lived in the sea, it was hell trying to
strike sparks. The only kind of bread we could afford was lava bread -
and we had to lick it off the rocks ourselves.
Bloody tetrapods! Arms, legs... Proud to flip a flipper, we were.
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| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250857 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 20:34 |
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Also Sprach Alec Cawley:
> In article <4nYYf.8797$zc1.528 [at] amstwist00>,
> perry_awm [at] hotmail.com says...
>> Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>> > Also Sprach FiX:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Nope, you can't do _anything_ proper in a machine. In my
>> >>yoof, we lived in a cage and had to use flint for making
>> >>fire, and the bread was _much_ better than
>> >>nowad...<leaves off muttering to himself>
>> >
>> >
>> > You 'ad flint? We'd 'ave given our right arms for a bit
>> > of flint. At least, if we'd *'ad* right arms we would
>> > 'ave...
>>
>> We 'ad to use our left legs and surgically move the toe
>> around to act as a thumb. An' all we had for the operation
>> was a sharpened breadknife.
>
> I remember when we was just lungfish. We didn't have no
> fancy arms, nor legs neither. And since we lived in the
> sea, it was hell trying to strike sparks. The only kind of
> bread we could afford was lava bread - and we had to lick
> it off the rocks ourselves.
>
> Bloody tetrapods! Arms, legs... Proud to flip a flipper, we
> were.
Flippers? When I were a lad we'd 'ave given our right
pseudopod for a flipper...
--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"Sometimes scientific progress requires personal sacrifice.
Personally, I sacrifice Beaker." -Dr Bunsen Honeydew
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| Re: [I] Bread machine [message #250875 ] |
Do, 06 April 2006 22:52 |
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Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> Also Sprach Alec Cawley:
>
>
>>In article <4nYYf.8797$zc1.528 [at] amstwist00>,
>>perry_awm [at] hotmail.com says...
>>
>>>Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
>>>
>>>>Also Sprach FiX:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Nope, you can't do _anything_ proper in a machine. In my
>>>>>yoof, we lived in a cage and had to use flint for making
>>>>>fire, and the bread was _much_ better than
>>>>>nowad...<leaves off muttering to himself>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You 'ad flint? We'd 'ave given our right arms for a bit
>>>>of flint. At least, if we'd *'ad* right arms we would
>>>>'ave...
>>>
>>>We 'ad to use our left legs and surgically move the toe
>>>around to act as a thumb. An' all we had for the operation
>>>was a sharpened breadknife.
>>
>>I remember when we was just lungfish. We didn't have no
>>fancy arms, nor legs neither. And since we lived in the
>>sea, it was hell trying to strike sparks. The only kind of
>>bread we could afford was lava bread - and we had to lick
>>it off the rocks ourselves.
>>
>>Bloody tetrapods! Arms, legs... Proud to flip a flipper, we
>>were.
>
> Flippers? When I were a lad we'd 'ave given our right
> pseudopod for a flipper...
You're just showing off. I'd belt you one if I wasn't in the middle of
meiosis.
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